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At the end of April 1975 the victorious North Vietnamese Army was entering Saigon while US military forces, predominantly Navy and Marine air, were desperately trying to evacuate US military, diplomatic, and civilian personnel from Saigon and the surrounding areas. The last four US military members to die in Vietnam were Marines, two ashore and two afloat:
• HMM-164, USS HANCOCK, TF 77
o Capt William C. Nystul, Coronodo, CA
o 1stLt Michael J. Shea, El Paso, TX
• E Co, USMC Security Guard Bn, AmEmbassy Saigon
o Cpl Charles McMahon, Woburn, MA
o LCpl Darwin L. Judge, Marshalltown, IA
Cpl McMahon and LCpl Judge were killed by a rocket attack while defending the Defense Attaché Building on Tan Son Nhut Airbase; their bodies were not recovered in 1975, but their remains were repatriated on 22 Feb 1976.
Captain Nystul and 1stLt Shea were piloting a CH-46D helicopter, BuNo 154042, providing SAR support for the malstrom of aircraft coming and going from the US naval forces offshore. Just before midnight on 29/30 April, while flying a downwind approach to landing on the USS HANCOCK, the CH-46 impacted the water and sank. While two enlisted crewmen (Cpl Richard Scott and Cpl Stephen R. Wills) were rescued, the two pilots went down with their aircraft. Their bodies were not recovered.

From - Sun Feb 06 18:22:06 2000
From: “Alan H. Barbour”

Personal Narrative:
The last Marine Helo lost in Nam was YT-14 from 164, on 04-29-75. I would have to agree that in most cases no-one wants to be the last. There is another last to 164’s history, that of the two Pilots KIA at 11:30 P.M. on 04-29-75.I should know, I was the crew-chief of YT-14 when it went in. Capt. Nystul and 1stLt Shea were the last Marines KIA in VN. Last Squadron, last CH-46 lost, last Marines injured, last Marines KIA.
Submitted by Stephen R. Wills, HMM-164, YT-14 crewchief
Personal Narrative:
This CH-46 was lost at sea during the night of 29-30 April 1975 during Operation Frequent Wind…the evacuation of the Saigon Embassy. To my knowledge (I was there), the loss of our SAR A/C flying “Angel” for the USS Hancock accounted for the final Marine casualties of the Vietnam era. Since that operation ended in the early hours of the morning of the 30th with the extraction of our Ambassador, so did all US involvement with VN. Actually, there was a final CH-46 flight to the Embassy rooftop to extract the remnants of the security force still there, and quite frankly almost overlooked in the chaos of the lengthy evacuation.

It was late on the night of the 29th and well into the operation when the CH-46 SAR helicopter crashed into the South China Sea along side of the Hancock. It was tragic to say the least. Both the pilot, Capt. Bill Nystul and co-pilot 1stLt Mike Shea were lost at sea. The other 2 enlisted crewman were rescued (that in itself involved tremendous heroism on the part of Capt Steve Haley and 1stLt Dean Koontz breaking off on deck refueling and executing a night water landing and taxiing around to pickup the 2 survivors). The tragedy is that Bill was a new WestPac arrival to Okinawa when we deployed with all the remaining H-46’s and UH-1E’s from Futenma. He had just completed schooling and was re-famming in the 46. Mike, as I remember, was a CH-53 co-pilot. This is the combination that was orbiting the ship for 4-5 hours and was coming aboard to refuel and launch again!

The final approach was waved off, and on downwind (pitch black) they flew into the water with no apparent awareness that it was happening. They did not make any distress call or respond to frantic calls from pri-fly!! The next evening we held the traditional burial at sea service without recovering the remains. The crash site was located in 65 feet of water, but because or the immense political pressures to vacate the area, no attempt for recovery was made. I am positive, according to the time schedule I alluded to, that these 2 Marines were the final casualties.

Submitted by Chic Schoener, Squadron pilot
Personal Narrative:
I was on deck, and saw it all.. It was a very sad thing to watch, but it was the most “Heroic” thing I will ever see. When they cranked the engine up to pull out of the water, (we thought they weren’t going to get out) and landed on deck and all the water poured out of the bird and the pilots were wet. And the rescue of the crew. Yes, they all deserve a medal.

Submitted by Gregg Hodgkins, AO3 G-Div, Flight Deck Ordanance, USS Hancock
“YT-14 - The Last Marine Helicopter Lost in Vietnam”:
At 06:00 on the morning of 29 April 1975, the Boeing Vertol CH-46D SeaKnight YT-14 prepared to launch as the overwater SAR (search and rescue) aircraft from the carrier USS Hancock (CVA-19) for Operation Frequent Wind, the evacuation of American and Vietnamese personnel from the American Embassy in Saigon. Normally, a fixed wing carrier such as the Hancock executing helicopter operations would not launch a helicopter SAR aircraft as any helicopter could perform SAR duties. However for an operation of this magnitude, a designated rescue helicopter provided the task force with the capability of responding instantly to any emergency.

This was a special day however, because of the air traffic potential. Emergency USMC helicopter operations were planned all day as necessary for the evacuation as the North Vietnamese Army entered Saigon. Much of the air traffic would be of South Vietnamese origin, as had been witnessed the previous day. Vietnamese helicopters and fixed wing were expected to arrive at any time. Some Vietnamese pilots, with their families and friends attempting to escape South Vietnam, ditched adjacent to the shipping, while others attempted to land on the various decks, some on top of other aircraft. There were many times during the day that the decks of various ships were fouled with aircraft, sometimes intentionally, including both helicopters and fixed wing. YT-14 was designated the Angel Flight (Naval term for overwater SAR) for operation Frequent Wind, to be used for any eventuality.

YT was the designation given to all aircraft assigned to Marine helicopter squadron HMM-164. Cpl. Stephen R. Wills was the Crewchief/Right Gunner of YT-14, an aircraft affectionately known to the Marines who flew it as a Phrog. Cpl. Richard L. Scott was his 1st Mechanic/Left Gunner for this early-morning SAR mission. The aircraft and these men were assigned to Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 164. The two Marines remained with their aircraft in orbit over the South China Sea through the entire day and into the night, for 17 hours, refueling every couple of hours, without shutting down.

According to Steve Wills, throughout the day during several hot refuelings on the deck of the USS Hancock, Vietnamese aircraft were “trying to land on top of us.” “Conversations during the day between crew members aboard YT-14 were strictly that of Marines carrying out their routine duties, and wishing they were someplace else.”

As the day advanced, at approximately 13:00, during a hot refueling, Capt. William C. Nystul and 1stLt. Michael J. Shea relieved the originally assigned pilot and copilot aboard YT-14. Bill Nystul was a recent WestPac [Marine operating area – western Pacific] arrival to Okinawa when HMM-164 deployed with the remaining UH-46D’s and UH-1E’s from MCAS Futenma, Okinawa. He had just completed schooling, and had re-fammed in the H-46. Bill had been a fixed wing instructor in the Naval Aviation Training Command at Pensacola, and had since accumulated approximately 20 hours of refamiliarization time on the CH-46. Mike Shea had accumulated approximately 25 CH-46 hours in Futenma before deploying, and was previously a designated CH-53 pilot (7564).

Capt. Chic Schoener was assigned to H&MS-36 as a pilot in Okinawa and did his CH-46 flying with both HMM-164 and HMM-165. He remembers giving Bill Nystul an Okinawa island Fam hop before they embarked aboard the aircraft carrier USS Midway (CVA-41) for cross decking to the USS Hancock and had known both he and Mike Shea before and while embarked. Chic, like many other squadron pilots, flew 13 or more hours during this day.

“A typical CH-46D carried 2400 lbs. of jet fuel (JP-4 or 5)(1200 in each stub wing) and had a routine flight endurance of 2 hours. Under certain flight conditions that time could be stretched to 2+15 hours. However, NATOPS and safety dictated refueling when the fuel quantity was no lower than 200 lbs per side (approximately 20 minutes fuel remaining). The fuel “low caution lights” usually came on with 340 lbs of fuel remaining. This operation was not routine (by any standards) with many aircraft and crewmembers’ limitations being stretched well beyond stated limits. Extraordinary times call for extraordinary efforts.”

According to Steve Wills, maintaining the SAR orbit was not simply a “watch.” The crew had been active all day with various tasks.

“I would just be guessing as to the number of times that we refueled that day. But it would have to have been six or seven times, maybe even more. On one of our landings to refuel, we were loaded with about twenty or so refugees that were to be transferred to the USS Blue Ridge (LCC 19).”

“Just as we landed on the Blue Ridge, we were told to launch immediately, as there was a small aircraft that had crashed aft of the Blue Ridge. We off loaded our passengers, took off and CPL Scott and I readied the rescue hoist, and opened the hellhole. We spotted three personnel in the water and lowered the hoist. It was very evident that two of the people where in bad shape with what looked to be massive head injuries. All three of them tried to get in the hoist, as they were only a few feet apart from each other. The one that wasn’t hurt got in.

“We started to bring him up, when I saw that one of the injured men slipped under the water. I told Capt. Nystul to back off as our rotor wash was pushing them under. I told Captain Nystul that I was going to go into the water to try to help the other man. He told me to send in Scott. I informed him that Scott couldn’t swim. By the time we got the first man in, we lost sight of the last man. We started to circle to see if we could find the third man but couldn’t find him. A small Navy launch from the Blue Ridge was now on site, and we were released to return to the Hancock to refuel, and return to our SAR orbit point.”

“During this mission there was a Navy officer on board taking pictures of the rescue … I had to keep pushing him away from me, as he kept getting in my way while we were trying to rescue those downed men.”

The weight of the helicopter and the temperature of the day had significant effects on the operation that day.

“Twice we had to dump fuel because of our weight. After we departed the USS Hancock we where losing altitude due to our weight and the heat of the day. Capt. Nystul told me that he was going to dump fuel. I informed him that there should be no problem with the system, as I had personally checked it out a few days before. “That’s what we heard” was the comeback from Capt. Nystul.”

“Several days before the evac, I pre-flighted YT-14 for a test flight after replacing the rotor pitch-change link bearings. The flight was to take place later in the afternoon. After going down to the maintenance office, I was told that the test flight would take place in about 20 minutes. I was told to have YT-14 spotted and to unfold the blades.”

“We had the deck crew spot her on the #1 spot. I got in and fired up the aircraft APP [auxiliary power plant] and when I brought the electrical power on line, I switched it from DC current to AC current. Right then the ship’s deck came alive with people trying to get me to shut down the aircraft. My 1st Mech, Cpl. Scott came in yelling that we were dumping fuel on the flight deck. I reached up and hit the APP switch to shut it off. Still we were dumping fuel. I told Cpl. Scott to go back and put his hand over one of the dump pipes and to have one of the other mechanics out side do the same to the other side. I guess you could imagine the double hand gestures I received.”

“I looked up and saw that the fuel jettison switch was in the open position. I fired the APP back up, reached up and moved it back to the closed position, flipped the APP off. Still, we were dumping fuel. Then it came to me that I didn’t bring the electrical system on line with the AC current.”

“Again I fired the APP up, only this time when she lit off - there was a ball of flame that shot out the back at least ten or fifteen feet from the APP. I could see people running everywhere away from the A/C. I switched the system to AC and toggled the switch, shut down the APP, and vacated the A/C.”

“By then, the crash crew was there. Needless to say, I was asked to go visit the CO and the ships Captain. That’s why I told Capt. Nystul I knew that the system worked.”

The second time they had to dump fuel was when a Marine CH-53 was losing altitude. It had over 30 people in it and they feared that it was going to go in.

“We were vectored to its location and could see that she was dropping and at the same time dumping fuel. We dropped half or more of our fuel as we knew that there was no way we could maintain altitude while trying to hover if we were to try and rescue any survivors. The H-53 couldn’t have been more than a hundred feet off the deck. This was during the hottest part of the day. Thankfully it started to gain its altitude back and we were not needed.”

The day had progressed to evening. The Ambassador still refused to leave Saigon. It was dark and it was getting later. All crews were pushing their safe flight time limits. Twice in the final hour of their SAR flight they were on final approach to the USS Hancock when they were sent back out to their orbit point for another possible mission. They were to report when they were down to 30 minutes fuel remaining. The fatigued pilots on the flight crew had been flying continuously for ten hours and the aircrew had been working continuously for seventeen hours when, in Steve Wills’ own words, the following happened:

“We were at our orbit point when Capt. Nystul radioed for clearance for a landing approach back to the USS Hancock. We were down to about 30 minutes of fuel. We were given the OK to return, refuel and then go back out.”

“On our inbound approach, I looked out the rear of the ship and saw a light at our 6 o’clock position coming in on us. I made it out to be another aircraft. I told the Captain and I then cleared him for a hard right turn. That other aircraft missed hitting us by less than 100 ft.

“For the next 15 minutes there was no conversation in our aircraft, except for a comment made by Captain Nystul that “Some one is going to die up here tonight.”

“On returning to the ship I was asked if we were clear for a left turn. I gave the OK and no sooner than that, I heard “Pick it up, Pick it up, Pick it up.” I did not hear “Pull-up” as was stated in the KIA incident report. I braced myself, thinking that we were about to be in a mid-air with another aircraft. That day we must have had five or six close calls with other aircraft; not those of the Marines but of the Vietnamese.”

“I don’t remember any sudden descent or that of pulling in power. The only thing I remember was that of the hard landing lights coming on. That’s when every thing went black.”

Concurrently Sgt. Chris Woods, Crew Chief of Swift 22 aboard the USS Hancock witnessed the following:

“The traffic pattern around the Hancock was very congested with aircraft landing, dropping off passengers, refueling, etc. Helicopters were continuously landing and taking off. Swift 22 had been refueled and stashed behind the [carrier] island to free up landing spots.”

“I can’t remember if I was doing a turnaround inspection or trying to get some rest. “ PULL UP, PULL UP, PULL UP” the air boss said over the 5MC (flight deck) speakers. The air boss kept yelling “PULL UP” until the aircraft impacted the water. I ran out in front of my aircraft to see a left running light (red) angling towards the water, it continued until there was “flash” caused by the aircraft impacting the water. I remember hearing several helicopters hovering trying to pick up survivors. Pandemonium was everywhere.

There had been an immediate response from the personnel aboard the Hancock aware of the distressing situation. There were at least four helicopters that made attempts to get the survivors out; two Navy rescue SH-3’s, one Marine CH-53 and finally another CH-46. Cpl. Wills related:

“I came to under water. That’s when the Water Survival Training took over. I was only able to inflate one side of my LPA. The right side of it was torn. When I hit the surface I found that my radio was gone, along with my pistol. I found my pen flares and fired two of them. I started yelling to see if any one else got out. Cpl. Scott yelled back. He was about fifty yards from me.”

“Cpl Scott was yelling that he couldn’t swim. I was yelling back to him, to pop his LPA and finally he did. We both tried to get to each other, but the current was pulling him farther from me. I couldn’t move because my right hip was dislocated, and my left leg had a compound fracture 8″ above the knee.”

“The first two Navy SH-3’s tried to get us out with their hoist, but we couldn’t hook up. The rotor wash from the CH-53 that came over us just kept pushing us under the water. The two SH-3’s and the H-53 tried to drown me and then backed off.”

“After firing my pen flares, I was able to light up my strobe light. I do remember that Scotty fired his pen flare at the first or second helicopter almost hitting it. I yelled to him to get his strobe out and light it up. That would have been the only way that he could be seen.”

Another CH-46D, call sign Swift 07, from HMM-164 was on the deck of the USS Hancock undergoing hot refueling, piloted by Capt. Steve Haley and 1stLt. Dean Koontz. They launched immediately, and picked up Cpl. Richard Scott by hoist. They completed a water-landing at night near the crash scene in pitch-black conditions and water-taxied up to the struggling and seriously injured Cpl. Wills. He was unable to get into the rescue harness due to his injuries.

“In all of our training we were told that PHROGS don’t float. But I can sure tell you of the one that can swim.”

“When the rescue aircraft tried to get me out, and when being pushed under water by the rotor wash, I remember covering my strobe light so they couldn’t see me. They would then have to back off, letting me come back to the surface. I did that more than one time. I was blacking out from loss of blood and shock when I came to and saw those rotor blades over my head.”

“There was seawater in the cabin section [of Swift 07] when they pulled me by hand thru the cabin door of the CH-46. I heard the emergency throttles come up and remember the whine of the engines and the slapping of the blades … I still can look up and see the rotor blades and thinking that H-46 was crashing on top of me.”

“The hand that reached out to me was that of the rescue aircraft Crewchief, Sgt. Lon Chaney … we spent approximately 45 minutes in the water before they got us out.”

Continuing the account of the rescue as witnessed by Chris Woods on the deck of the USS Hancock:

“Then all of a sudden I watched as the bottom anti-collision light on a Phrog went underwater. I thought, GOD, not another crash. I watched as I realized that the aircraft was in the water to pick up survivors. Moments later Swift 07 was on the flight deck with Cpl Stephen R. Wills and Cpl Richard L. Scott. Capt. Nystul and Lt. Shea went down with the aircraft. The mood was not good. Everyone was exhausted and now we had to accept the deaths of two squadron mates.”

The rescue was completed at about 23:30 on 29 Apr 1975. The bodies of Capt. Nystul and Lt. Shea were never recovered. Estimates from the ship were that they were in 65-100 feet of water [the ship had been moving all day]. The only items that were found after the incident were the four flight crew helmets and the front landing strut with the tires on it.

At twilight on 30 Apr 1975, a very moving and traditional Burial at Sea was conducted for Capt. Bill Nystul and 1stLt. Mike Shea aboard the USS Hancock. They escorted one of the surviving crewmembers, Cpl. Richard Scott, across the deck for the Memorial Service. Cpl. Steve Wills was resting in double traction of both left and right legs on the 03 level of the ship and could not be moved. He was later very appreciative of the aircrew members for dropping in on him during his recovery.

“If it were up to me, Capt. Haley and Lt Koontz would have received the CMH. But in saying that, please don’t forget the hand that reached out, with seawater flowing in the cabin section, pulling me in … not with the hoist but by his hand. The aircrew of that ship will always live in my heart and mind as my guardian angel, even though I was flying the Angel Flight.”
Operation Frequent Wind ended on the morning of the 30th of April with the extraction of Ambassador Graham Martin, followed by the extraction of the Marine Security Detachment, as did all U.S. involvement in the Republic of Vietnam.
YT-14 (BuNo 154042) of HMM-164 was the last Marine helicopter lost in Vietnam, and still sits at the bottom of the South China Sea in 65 - 100 feet of water at coordinates N 09 55’ 32” E 107 20’ 06”, or at approximately 30 nautical miles on the 150 o radial of the Vung Tau NDB.
“One last thought. If we know approximately where YT-14 lies, why couldn’t there be an attempt to see if there are any remains. With today’s technologies, it might be a simple operation. We dig up mountains at crash sites to find remains no matter how small. To bring back the remains of the last two American service men, the last two Marines, to have been killed in action in Vietnam would mean a lot.” Cpl. Steve Wills, USMCR (medret)

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Cdr. Edgar A. Rawsthorne was the pilot of an F4 which flew from the air wing onboard the ENTERPRISE, and on December 29, 1965, he was assigned a combat mission which would take him through the Mu Gia Pass into Laos. His bombardier/navigator on the aircraft that day was Lt. Arthur S. Hill, Jr.
The Mu Gia Pass was one of several passageways through the mountainous border of Vietnam and Laos. U.S. aircraft flew through them regularly, and many were lost. The return ratio of men lost in and around the passes is far lower than that of those men lost in more populous areas, even though both were shot down by the same enemy and the same weapons. This is partly due to the extremely rugged terrain and resulting difficulty in recovery.
Just west of the pass, Rawsthorne’s aircraft was hit by enemy fire and crashed. It was not believed that either of the men onboard survived the crash of the plane. Both were declared Killed in Action, Body Not Recovered.
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REMARKS: ON SAR LOST CONTACT RAFT FOUND.

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The task is not an easy one…in many cases the parents of these brave men are elderly or now deceased, the widows are remarried and carry different surnames, siblings are grown and sometimes relocated to different parts of the country, and information about living survivors is not always public record.

In some cases, the pain of losing a son, husband, brother or father, is just too painful for survivors to revisit after so many years.

In the early stages of the search for the families of the “San Diego 22“, a handful of individuals gladly volunteered their time and talent to search various databases for any hint of relation to one of our MIA’s, in hope that we might actively involve the family in the recognition event by presenting them with a POW/MIA flag with the name embroidered on it.

This group of individuals included both club members and individuals with the “NEVER FORGET” viewpoint, and became affectionately known as the “MIA Posse”. They are researchers who work in various fields of interest including but not limited to: bounty hunting, information technology (IT), genealogy and data entry.

The MIA Posse uses all resources available to them in order to track down still living family members for the purpose of notifying them that their MIA’s will be recognized in an upcoming flag raising ceremony. If possible, the MIA Posse hopes to award the POW/MIA flag from that ceremony to the family of that particular MIA.

Charter Members of the MIA Posse were awarded a Red and Black “MIA Posse” patch by Dago Chapter after the Veteran’s Day “Forgotten Warrior Run” 2006 event for recognition of their hard work in locating the family of John H. Hoeffs.

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On November 10, 2007 the embroidered flag of San Diego 22 member, John Harvey Hoeffs, was delivered via Pony Express to his brother, Russ Hoeffs, in Midland, New Jersey.

Above, Brother Flash, Dago chapter, CA attaches the Pony Express POW/MIA flag that left Ramona, CA on April 20, 2007 with John H. Hoeff’s name embroidered on it, to replace the original flag flown in Midland, New Jersey.

~comment from a VNV M/C member:

“Midland Park NJ where this all took place has the distinction of having lost the most men in Nam per capita of any town in the US.

They told us that the towns mayor sent a letter to the Pres. begging him to stop sending their soldiers to Nam as it had already devastated the towns families.

Out of a very small graduating class of their high small school, 8 of their classmates all died in a space of 1 year in country.

The people told us if we GET TIRED OF PROTESTERS AND CAN’T SEEM TO FIND ANY PATRIOTISM WHERE WE WERE , WE WERE WELCOME TO COME BACK AND VISIT THEIR TOWN ANYTIME.”

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Meanwhile, read about the Pala Band of Mission Indians.

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On November 10, 2007 the embroidered flag of San Diego 22 member, John Harvey Hoeffs, was delivered via Pony Express to his brother, Russ Hoeffs, in Midland, New Jersey.

Above, Brother Flash, Dago chapter, CA attaches the Pony Express POW/MIA flag that left Ramona, CA on April 20, 2007 with John H. Hoeff’s name embroidered on it, to replace the original flag flown in Midland, New Jersey.

~comment from a VNV M/C member:

“Midland Park NJ where this all took place has the distinction of having lost the most men in Nam per capita of any town in the US.

They told us that the towns mayor sent a letter to the Pres. begging him to stop sending their soldiers to Nam as it had already devastated the towns families.

Out of a very small graduating class of their high small school, 8 of their classmates all died in a space of 1 year in country.

The people told us if we GET TIRED OF PROTESTERS AND CAN’T SEEM TO FIND ANY PATRIOTISM WHERE WE WERE , WE WERE WELCOME TO COME BACK AND VISIT THEIR TOWN ANYTIME.”

The POW/MIA flag for Dennis Christie will be sent via Pony Express to his brother, Craig Christie, who is presently living in Montana.

A second POW/MIA flag for Dennis Christie’s brother-in-arms, Michael W. Havranek, who was also a member of USMC HHM-265 will be accepted by his uncle, a retired Vietnam veteran USAF jet pilot, who lives in the San Diego area.

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